Back in April, former iCloud engineer Eric Krugler joined the education company Clever. As detailed in an installment of Making the Grade, Clever is a single sign-on service for K-12 students. This week, Krugler sat down with Clever to talk more about his role.

Krugler joined Apple in 2010, serving first as a Director of iCloud Application Server Engineering and later as a Senior Director of iCloud Server Engineering. He departed Apple in June of 2018 and joined Clever as its VP of Engineering last month.

As for why he ended up joining Clever after his nearly 10-year stint at Apple, Krugler says he was inspired by the educational mission of the company:

He also touched on some of the challenges Clever faces with its single sign-on technology:

They get excited about solving some really, really tough technical challenges that don’t always have obvious answers, so there’s a lot of collaboration, deep diving, and not trusting the textbook.

You can read the full interview here and learn more about Clever in Making The Grade.